tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19649274.post114192007446352003..comments2024-03-27T17:16:12.789+05:30Comments on The Leap Blog: Revising the wages of civil servantsAjay Shahhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03835842741008200034noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19649274.post-14141187135027082752007-10-11T12:23:00.000+05:302007-10-11T12:23:00.000+05:30Friends,I have served 28 years in Govt. including ...Friends,<BR/><BR/>I have served 28 years in Govt. including a long stint in Railways.<BR/><BR/>One single instance of Driver cannot be taken to draw inferences. Please consider this - Railway tracks are maintained by Gangman. He is the least paid employee in Railways. A passenger coach costs about Rs.1 crore. If there were to be an accident damaging say 5 coaches the loss is about Rs.5 crores (cost of 5 coaches) plus about Rs 2 crores towards other items. Gangman is not offered any significant facility. He is required to work whether it is unbearably hot or unbrerably cold or when there is a very heavy rain. He is offered a very small quarters (just wo rooms - 1 kitchen and one living room). Owing to very tiresome physical work he becomes sick frequently and loses salary if he has no leave at credit. With the very meagre salary he is expected to perform exceedingly well. Do we have any comparable job in any other sector with which we can compare a Gangman? I do not know of one. Why bloggers do not take up such cases and instead concentrate on oversimplified matters and offer detailed comments? Please forgive me for stating that some such comments are far from reality. I have no intentions of hurting anyone.<BR/><BR/>A clerical staff (LDC) is paid about Rs.8,000 per month in a city like Delhi. Is this excessive?<BR/><BR/>A Secretary to the Govt. gets about Rs.50,000 per month while a CEO gets about Rs.2 to 3 lakhs a month. Can anyone having knowledge of the quantum of work done by a Secretary state that Rs.50,000 is excessive.<BR/><BR/>Take the example of Driver. Driver gets about Rs.8,000 a month with an annual raise (increment) of about Rs.125/-. A BPO driver gets about Rs.10,000 a month plus tips etc. Is Rs.8,000 in Delhi or Mumbai excessive?<BR/><BR/>To sum up, Govt. employees should be descendents of honesty and integrity. Till such time we do not offer them a realistically appropriate salary we are not going to achieve this objective. There are no applicants for several posts in Govt., forget large number of applications for lower level posts - this is no longer true in 2007.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19649274.post-83060074680271305832007-06-21T22:42:00.000+05:302007-06-21T22:42:00.000+05:30There are many unknown (to non-GOI officers) issue...There are many unknown (to non-GOI officers) issues.<BR/><BR/>1. CGHS : Medical facilities : Many think it is great facility, little know that it is a curse. To go to see a specialist for suffereing child (even high grade fever) Through proper required procedures it takes 3 Days. And after that we have to pay huge differences in treatment as well as medicine charges. For surgeries stupid things like needle, cotton ertc are to be paid by employee.<BR/><BR/>2. Travel TA DA<BR/>For city like mumbai for Hotel Stay and DA Rs 500 is paid to a class 1 (very senior) GOI employee. Try finding a Hotel and 3 times food in Mumbai for Rs 500, i will leave my GOI Job if you could. For other cities the TA and DA is megere 120 Rs/Day.<BR/><BR/>3. LTC : Only shortest route is paid. No programs are booked that advanced that one gets bookings for shortest route for entitled class. For class-1 scientist entitled for 2nd AC, the difference of shortest route and actual travel route some equivalent to Train charges of SL class. So effectively no LTC paid. LTC is only 2 Times in 4 yes FOUR years.<BR/>4. Poor salaries.<BR/>I am BE, Mtech and pursuing PhD.<BR/>I am paid gross 25,000. I was first class distinction holder in my qualifications. Having urge to work as scientist brought me into GOI in SCientific position. I am a middle level senior scientist Today. My frinds in college who scored poorly in graduations are rich today with huge salaries stock options and what not. Yes i am affected, i am too human being and a family living in this society. How can i concentrate in my research when, back at home my child asks me why i dont drive office in car (for fuel i am paid 800 Rs where as my expense would be 2500 Rs).<BR/><BR/>This Pay commission must bring out drastic changes, or i and many more like me will loose all hopes and will leave the jobs for better salaries in private. Remember only Capable people of GOI will leave Jobs as they only would be able to fetch better salaries in private.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19649274.post-54619125052741505042007-04-04T21:32:00.000+05:302007-04-04T21:32:00.000+05:30noobsnoobsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19649274.post-1142349355488427742006-03-14T20:45:00.000+05:302006-03-14T20:45:00.000+05:30I think corruption in the civil services is about ...I think corruption in the civil services is about greed and not the salary. A junior grade IAS officer earns a starter of Rs. 8000 min., with lots of allowances. I think this is enough to enjoy a decent if not luxurious life.Chaitanyahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05191432296325765105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19649274.post-1142308783765640522006-03-14T09:29:00.000+05:302006-03-14T09:29:00.000+05:30Speaking personally, I would like to work as a sci...Speaking personally, I would like to work as a scientist in local/state/federal government, and what did I see when I did a search for Indian institutions?<BR/><BR/>A Turner, Fitter, Welder, Electrician, Driver etc for a elite government research agency earns 10000-325-15000, and about the same is given to a junior scientist who has a M.S/PhD. A scientist can within a month learn to do the basics of a Turner, Fitter, or whatever. I doubt the reverse is true.<BR/><BR/>Some other insane requirements... <BR/><BR/>1) Age should be below 30 or 35. Relaxable upto 5 years for SC/ST etc. What has age got to do with ability? You progress to a higher grade regardless of age, but no they go up the ladder anyway.<BR/><BR/>2) Experience should be 5 years etc.<BR/><BR/>3) Conveyance paid by second class railway. No video-conferencing or telephonic interviews?Amit Kulkarnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03425497058274360457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19649274.post-1142214777060767002006-03-13T07:22:00.000+05:302006-03-13T07:22:00.000+05:30I think at lower level, the higher salaries have i...I think at lower level, the higher salaries have increased corruption. The reason is very simple. There is a great demand for such jobs (mainly due to higher salary and dowry). So there are people to pay hefty amounts of money to get such jobs. This obviosuly leads him to raise the corruption when he gets into. <BR/><BR/>Possible solution could as suggested rajesh to outsource the lower cader like the case of security personnel.<BR/><BR/>Raja<BR/>http://ruralindia.blogspot.com/Malapati Raja Sekharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02768426014090050947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19649274.post-1142176704264811872006-03-12T20:48:00.000+05:302006-03-12T20:48:00.000+05:30Providing higher wages at the junior level governm...Providing higher wages at the junior level government jobs will not by itself help reduce corruption. For that, the people themselves have to change. And because we can't realistically expect that to happen, the selection procedure has to be tighter. And usually anticorruption bureaus work at a much higher level. They should be made to spend a percentage of their time on these lower levels as well. Put the fear of the prison in them...Sabarish Sasidharanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08274507530624074779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19649274.post-1142001847725224002006-03-10T20:14:00.000+05:302006-03-10T20:14:00.000+05:30Point of fact: Grade `A' and `B' in GOI is grossly...Point of fact: Grade `A' and `B' in GOI is grossly underpaid, but other grades are grossly overpaid.<BR/><BR/>Some people argue that high civil service wages are central to changing corruption. Singapore is a case in point. Lee Kwan Yew decided that senior civil service jobs are going to be amongst the best paid jobs in the city.<BR/><BR/>Will high wages at senior levels combat corruption? I don't know. It's a research question. E.g. junior grades in GOI are grossly overpaid - are they less corrupt?<BR/><BR/>There is a vibrant new literature on the economics of corruption. At the NBER conference in Beijing last year I sat through a talk by Ben Olken on the subject. Ben believes that civil service wages are a big issue, and that they need to be much higher. I'm personally convinced wages at senior levels need to be much higher so as to attract good people, but I suspect the corruption question is not primarily about wages.Ajay Shahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03835842741008200034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19649274.post-1142001600585629022006-03-10T20:10:00.000+05:302006-03-10T20:10:00.000+05:30@ravi:incentivization cannot work if the instituti...@ravi:<BR/><BR/>incentivization cannot work if the institutions (in a more broad sense) arent proper.Ankur (THE consultant)https://www.blogger.com/profile/12116610700551596475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19649274.post-1142001480136922982006-03-10T20:08:00.000+05:302006-03-10T20:08:00.000+05:30Hi Sir,All these years, I was under the impression...Hi Sir,<BR/><BR/>All these years, I was under the impression that governments in India (state or central) are bad paymasters. Their payscales are abysmally low (both at the lower and at the higher level). <BR/><BR/>Which also, again my own conclusions, was one of the major reasons for corruption in the officialdom. <BR/><BR/>Low salaries, but positions which have a certain degree of influence on those around you (business or common man), seem to create a conducive enviornment for the one of the major parasites of society we know 'corruption'.<BR/><BR/>So would it not be wise to pay the officialdom sufficiently well, attract more and more talented people at the middle and the lower level (the higher level certainly has pple like PM, the FM, and others), improve accountability and become like one lean organisation - GoI. <BR/><BR/>-<BR/>Ravi Purohit.Ravi Purohithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17616076999283569192noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19649274.post-1141997631906908262006-03-10T19:03:00.000+05:302006-03-10T19:03:00.000+05:30What is genuinely needed is a sharp upward revisio...What is genuinely needed is a sharp upward revision of wages at the top and a sharp downward revision of wages at the bottom. Now do you think that a sixth pay commission appointed by the UPA will be composed of individuals who will write such a report? :-) And, if such a report came along, do you expect the UPA will accept it?<BR/><BR/>It's best to remember how the previous pay commission panned out, and have low expectations.Ajay Shahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03835842741008200034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19649274.post-1141954590091985232006-03-10T07:06:00.000+05:302006-03-10T07:06:00.000+05:30Sometimes our economic(s) newspapers do goof up on...Sometimes our economic(s) newspapers do goof up on basic stuff. Link the salary to GDP growth- wow! It is well known the bureaucracy and most government departments are staffed with a lot of Class IV (I am not sure of the class, but peons,office boys) and these people are not only overpaid, but also underworked. And these jobs are literally auctioned and there is a mad rush for these.ecophilohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04169434456925299608noreply@blogger.com